VR nästan 6 TURBO
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VR nästan 6 TURBO
2006 = The year when disaster hit the VR5 crew .
Stage 4 post in my signature contain more info.
Update a 2nd time if the pictures are missing!
Damn tinypic hosting :banghead:
Started of with waiting for bolts and **** for 12 weeks and didn’t get the car ready until 7 days before the most important contest of the year "BUGRUN" .
Not being able to shift from 2nd to 3rd made the quart mile challenge suck .
We had power for 130mph traps but it couldn’t shift and we decided to cancel that competition and spent the day enjoying the rest of the cars .
Spending the rest of the summer creating a new 28psi E85 software took more time then I could imagine.
And with a slight disaster after a famous oil company gave us diesel instead of Alcohol we had to cancel even more shows .
Late august the new race file were ready for the street with stuff used from my Seat V5 we got the car ready for the quart mile LAZZAT race.
Test driving the car at WOT ~100mph the tires were spinning like crazy so we power shifted in to 4th gear (3.94 r&p) and it still didn’t find traction.
When I finally did ~124ish mph 4 gear broke instantly ...... ~midnight 1.5 hour drive from home. :banghead: :banghead:
So I called my transmission guy and asked him if the 3.38 R&P were ready .
Because we believe that hitting 130mph in third is the way to go in the quarter mile.
33hours of work and we built a new box and with engine part borrowed from the Toledo V5 we managed to get the car ready 5 days before LAZZAT .
Test drove the car for 4 days with 15psi before the 22psi software got a highway test .
It worked flawlessly and the performance were "mid 11s" with 125ish trap.
Great!
Lets try the 30 psi software in the middle of the night 6 hours before the contest .
Drove the car in second ~85mph and then I shifted to 3rd gear and got it in to 30% TB angle ...... let I climb to 100mph and stomped the gas .
30psi ...... hit at 4000ish rpm and the car just screamed when the WG opened .
Then 3rd gear went :banghead: :banghead:
So that car was towed to my garage 4 weeks ago and is still standing there.
BUT im still hungry and i got 3 new street softwares to try thanks to
Jeffrey Atwood a.k.a Jefnes3 and 2 new untested files from HGP tuner Wagner and 4 RACE Alcohol 35psi files from Claus @ turbocenter
So ....STAGE V began to take shape .
Im sick ....yes I know .
1:1-4th RACE gear set from http://www.APtuning.com because it really sucks to be towed.
2: GT3076R 0.86 Exhaust housing from http://www.Pagparts.com because 0.64 will not handle 35psi without getting sick backpressure.
3:630cc injectors X 5 running at 4 bar FPR from http://www.usrallyteam.com
4:Exhaust wrap for the turbo manifold
5:Pauter rods http://www.pagparts.com
6:Going from a 7.2:1 CR to a 8.5:1 CR wiseco one from Arnold
Pic for views until a starts to get the stuff delivered
7:Et street 26x15 for events that have rules against slicks
8:Et drag for real drag events
BILTEMA
Sneak preview of what´s up in the garage .
velocity tuned for 8000rpm peak .
More pics of the rest of the plenum tomorrow
Here is the new plenum.
Its cone shaped for more even distrubution.
Hard to see in the pictures but its actually going fron 110mm diam to 150mm diam. (US 4,4inch---->6inch
And its 530mm long =HUGE (US 21,2inch)
Plenum update.
Kone+stacks+endcap are now welded.
The TIG had a broken back cap and i didnt have the right weld rod for this but PRO welder Mattias Olsson managed to do this in my garage WITH A BROKEN thumb due to a saw accident :laugh: .
Im very satesfied with the result . :thumbup: :thumbup:
Now i only have to cut the flange for the throttle body and put some bungs on/wire holder for TB .
Lower flange will be removed and adjusted because stuff like this tend to move a bit when you do a slappy pre work :laugh:
Some serious polishing is needed for this sucker
performance comes first .....and performance is not the easy way because everything is harmonicly tuned for 5000-8000rpm .
Ther is only ONE WAY to make each lenght for example intake runner stack , cylinder head port area ,cam duration , exhaust manifol ´runner lenght .
and ist not the space efficient way :banghead: :banghead:
Some stuff arrived today
First
PAUTERS!!!!!!!!!!
70% weight of OEM rods :thumbup: 8K friendly
PAG PART special GT3076 with 60A/R compressor housing and 0.86 exhaust housing.
compared to 50A/R .64
MISC bling !
3.5inch RS4 maf looks small
TIAL silicone and TIAL BOV + alot of heat wrap . :thumbup:
Stage 4 post in my signature contain more info.
Update a 2nd time if the pictures are missing!
Damn tinypic hosting :banghead:
Started of with waiting for bolts and **** for 12 weeks and didn’t get the car ready until 7 days before the most important contest of the year "BUGRUN" .
Not being able to shift from 2nd to 3rd made the quart mile challenge suck .
We had power for 130mph traps but it couldn’t shift and we decided to cancel that competition and spent the day enjoying the rest of the cars .
Spending the rest of the summer creating a new 28psi E85 software took more time then I could imagine.
And with a slight disaster after a famous oil company gave us diesel instead of Alcohol we had to cancel even more shows .
Late august the new race file were ready for the street with stuff used from my Seat V5 we got the car ready for the quart mile LAZZAT race.
Test driving the car at WOT ~100mph the tires were spinning like crazy so we power shifted in to 4th gear (3.94 r&p) and it still didn’t find traction.
When I finally did ~124ish mph 4 gear broke instantly ...... ~midnight 1.5 hour drive from home. :banghead: :banghead:
So I called my transmission guy and asked him if the 3.38 R&P were ready .
Because we believe that hitting 130mph in third is the way to go in the quarter mile.
33hours of work and we built a new box and with engine part borrowed from the Toledo V5 we managed to get the car ready 5 days before LAZZAT .
Test drove the car for 4 days with 15psi before the 22psi software got a highway test .
It worked flawlessly and the performance were "mid 11s" with 125ish trap.
Great!
Lets try the 30 psi software in the middle of the night 6 hours before the contest .
Drove the car in second ~85mph and then I shifted to 3rd gear and got it in to 30% TB angle ...... let I climb to 100mph and stomped the gas .
30psi ...... hit at 4000ish rpm and the car just screamed when the WG opened .
Then 3rd gear went :banghead: :banghead:
So that car was towed to my garage 4 weeks ago and is still standing there.
BUT im still hungry and i got 3 new street softwares to try thanks to
Jeffrey Atwood a.k.a Jefnes3 and 2 new untested files from HGP tuner Wagner and 4 RACE Alcohol 35psi files from Claus @ turbocenter
So ....STAGE V began to take shape .
Im sick ....yes I know .
1:1-4th RACE gear set from http://www.APtuning.com because it really sucks to be towed.
2: GT3076R 0.86 Exhaust housing from http://www.Pagparts.com because 0.64 will not handle 35psi without getting sick backpressure.
3:630cc injectors X 5 running at 4 bar FPR from http://www.usrallyteam.com
4:Exhaust wrap for the turbo manifold
5:Pauter rods http://www.pagparts.com
6:Going from a 7.2:1 CR to a 8.5:1 CR wiseco one from Arnold
Pic for views until a starts to get the stuff delivered
7:Et street 26x15 for events that have rules against slicks
8:Et drag for real drag events
BILTEMA
Sneak preview of what´s up in the garage .
velocity tuned for 8000rpm peak .
More pics of the rest of the plenum tomorrow
Here is the new plenum.
Its cone shaped for more even distrubution.
Hard to see in the pictures but its actually going fron 110mm diam to 150mm diam. (US 4,4inch---->6inch
And its 530mm long =HUGE (US 21,2inch)
Plenum update.
Kone+stacks+endcap are now welded.
The TIG had a broken back cap and i didnt have the right weld rod for this but PRO welder Mattias Olsson managed to do this in my garage WITH A BROKEN thumb due to a saw accident :laugh: .
Im very satesfied with the result . :thumbup: :thumbup:
Now i only have to cut the flange for the throttle body and put some bungs on/wire holder for TB .
Lower flange will be removed and adjusted because stuff like this tend to move a bit when you do a slappy pre work :laugh:
Some serious polishing is needed for this sucker
performance comes first .....and performance is not the easy way because everything is harmonicly tuned for 5000-8000rpm .
Ther is only ONE WAY to make each lenght for example intake runner stack , cylinder head port area ,cam duration , exhaust manifol ´runner lenght .
and ist not the space efficient way :banghead: :banghead:
Some stuff arrived today
First
PAUTERS!!!!!!!!!!
70% weight of OEM rods :thumbup: 8K friendly
PAG PART special GT3076 with 60A/R compressor housing and 0.86 exhaust housing.
compared to 50A/R .64
MISC bling !
3.5inch RS4 maf looks small
TIAL silicone and TIAL BOV + alot of heat wrap . :thumbup:
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Hej Erik
Det är avstämt för ett annat varvtal.
räknar som vanligt på 3e pulsen.
MEN jag spar självklart det andra som fungerat sjukt bra om det inte skulle fungera så bra .
Kan skicka ett kalkyleringsprogram till dig om du vill.
Maila mig på fredrik.stahl@scania.com
Sen är min motor sänkt 30mm och bakflyttad.
Kylaren och fläktarna på min är sänka 30mm.
Det är avstämt för ett annat varvtal.
räknar som vanligt på 3e pulsen.
MEN jag spar självklart det andra som fungerat sjukt bra om det inte skulle fungera så bra .
Kan skicka ett kalkyleringsprogram till dig om du vill.
Maila mig på fredrik.stahl@scania.com
Sen är min motor sänkt 30mm och bakflyttad.
Kylaren och fläktarna på min är sänka 30mm.
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Final mock up pics of the "cold side" parts .
UBER early mock up ...sorry for the messy engine bay
1:Plenum got a dent to get better clearace vs fuel rail
2:Beeeeds have been made to the boost piping.
3:Tial flange /BOV is mounted
4:Intake got a new 5 inch velocity stack taking coold air from the front fender.
5:PRE Port matching T25
6:AFTER Port matching T25
7:PRE porting the gate (silver paint = outer edge for the flap)
8:AFTER with marginal vs leaking gate flap
UBER early mock up ...sorry for the messy engine bay
1:Plenum got a dent to get better clearace vs fuel rail
2:Beeeeds have been made to the boost piping.
3:Tial flange /BOV is mounted
4:Intake got a new 5 inch velocity stack taking coold air from the front fender.
5:PRE Port matching T25
6:AFTER Port matching T25
7:PRE porting the gate (silver paint = outer edge for the flap)
8:AFTER with marginal vs leaking gate flap
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Okej, hehe låter jobbigt att behöva plocka bort och dit allt. men vill man ha kul så är det väl värt detfoffa2002 skrev:Den bli besiktigad orginal varje år .
7 timmar för att plocka av + 7 timmar för att plocka på .
Loved By Few, Hated By Many, Feared By All.
Imorgon blir jag tolerant och finner till o med en idiot intressant.
Imorgon blir jag tolerant och finner till o med en idiot intressant.
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Med 550hk så behövs det ändå ses över varje år .
De flesta trimmade bilar står ju på vintern och då finns det hur mycket tid som helst.
Hi
As long as your not under 68% efficiency the IAT´s will be as good as they can be .
Getting a bigger turbo will cause surge and will not deliver requested 30psi@4500rpm so its not a good idea for a car thats used on the streets and will not produce power after 7500rpm even though redline is 8000rpm.
HP efficiency vs LB/min on alcohol is ~10.5xlbs/min = 500-550hp is available .
De flesta trimmade bilar står ju på vintern och då finns det hur mycket tid som helst.
Hi
As long as your not under 68% efficiency the IAT´s will be as good as they can be .
Getting a bigger turbo will cause surge and will not deliver requested 30psi@4500rpm so its not a good idea for a car thats used on the streets and will not produce power after 7500rpm even though redline is 8000rpm.
HP efficiency vs LB/min on alcohol is ~10.5xlbs/min = 500-550hp is available .
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eller så ordnas besiktning på annat vis
men foffa, 10:an kan bli svår om du "bara" ska ha 500-550hk
eler ligger målet på en 11:a?
men foffa, 10:an kan bli svår om du "bara" ska ha 500-550hk
eler ligger målet på en 11:a?
vill du ha polerat din bil?
jag nås på tel:
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sponsorer:
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http://www.twsdack.se/
jag nås på tel:
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sponsorer:
http://www.streetpower.se
http://www.usrallyteam.com/
http://www.twsdack.se/
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Nja .... 11.24 körde ju AVR med 450hk .
400hk+1500kg behövs för 11.6 .
Med 550hk så är det enbart chassi som begränsar.
Din bil kommer dok ha 9sekunders prestande med din turbo/vikt.
Så chassi optimering och sky is the limit för dig.
MEN jag är glad om bilen ens går att köra till innan bug run på mantorp
PS har hittat något du kan vara intresserad av .
http://www.raceprovenmotors.com/cart/pr ... cts_id=650
400hk+1500kg behövs för 11.6 .
Med 550hk så är det enbart chassi som begränsar.
Din bil kommer dok ha 9sekunders prestande med din turbo/vikt.
Så chassi optimering och sky is the limit för dig.
MEN jag är glad om bilen ens går att köra till innan bug run på mantorp
PS har hittat något du kan vara intresserad av .
http://www.raceprovenmotors.com/cart/pr ... cts_id=650